Of course, you don't. And you especially don't want the militias knowing your alt is farming 2 systems next to them either.

Now skipping ahead this is when you say you don't have alts plexing and you are always ready and happy for pvp.

And then I ask then why is it you are so against militias knowing where you are taking their plexes then?

Of course, you don't have to look at the map that would give this information if you didn't want to. If you don't want to look at the chat window to defend your space you wouldn't need to do that either. You could minimize it.

So that is where the discussion usually devolves into personal attacks against me. You don't want to admit you like hide and seek plexing. You already admitted notifications would lead to more pvp in plexes. You even claimed the pvp would be too easy to come by right? So why not just admit it? You don't want fw occupancy to be based on pvp.

It sounds like your on a bad trip and getting a bit paranoid. Calm down. Plexes are not being run "everywhere all the time."

Seriously, I don't care what you think of me. But this is a thread called "FW plex mechanic discussion" I will post my view on that whether you like it or not. I am happy if you want to point out some sort of downside to the proposal, but the bickering is really old. Are you able to just stick to the proposal and discuss the pros and cons?

Just to be clear on your position.

You seem to be saying no one will look at this map that tells us where people are plexing in an aid to help them in the occupancy war. Accordingly you think no changes will result.

Well I disagree. I think lots of people would use this intel to help them fight for occupancy.

But I wonder if you realize that your view also contradicts that of Estella Osoka and XG who argued that intel of this sort would lead to easy pvp in plexes.

It can't be both. It can't lead to too much easy pvp in plexes and also have no effect.

Thank you for responding without insults.

Ok so you are saying no cares about 90% of occupancy. I might agree. But that wasn't always the case. Moreover, the faction war tier system is based on the belief that players should care about more than 10% of systems. The reason no one cares is because it is too difficult to defend systems from alts that just run away to a next door system and plex there.

If defending the other 90% of systems lead to great plex fights many more people would care about them, and and many more people would join faction war. This is IMO should be the goal of fw occupancy.

Intel tools combined with rollbacks would mean that alts could run but not hide and plex. That would be a huge hit to the income these alts make and would likely mean they would either decide to start fighting or they would leave occupancy alone. Either option would be good for faction war.

I've had awesome plex fights in plenty of systems that were not home systems. Maybe you only think big fights are awesome so you may disagree.

ccp giving this intel in the form of a map would really accomplish nothing.

I think the real question you should ask is: "Who is going to travel to these backwater systems and chase cloaky afk plexing alts?

I'm not. You're not. Cearain has stated previously that he won't.

Who exactly is going to this (very boring) dirty work to keep the backwater systems safe from the afk plexing hordes?

Im right, you are all wrong

The only change that I suggested here that wasn't previously suggested by other players was that alt boosters wouldn't work in plexes unless the alt booster was in the plex as well.

Many other people have suggested that these alt boosters should be on grid all the time. Many people agreed with that, but surely as time goes on more and more such people will simply lose interest in the game. So my suggestion is the same as theirs but if ccp doesn't want to make a drastic change all at once it would be great if they would at least give casual pvpers some respite from them in plexes. Really I would much rather they need to be on grid all the time. So even there I am not posting anything new.

The other 2 changes I proposed were made by other players. And they were also supported by other players. Sorry if you don't like the fact that I find the current fw system fairly demotivating. But I am not alone.

But here we go again. You can't actually think about the idea and give any sort of constructive feedback regarding the idea. Instead you just try say something like Cearain is selfish therefore everyone should ignore his ideas. That's called an ad hominem and its not really a rational way to look at the world.




I am not sure who "all of us" are. CCP and several people proposed better intel. Plenty of people have seen the need for it since faction war started.

But again why not just tell us what is wrong with the idea. And after I give a response instead of saying "Nobody agrees with you so you must be wrong" why not think about the response regarding the proposal instead of attacking the person.

i do not know why you want to nerf cloakky ships in a plex? maybe you farmer alt got ganked too often by cloakky ship?